Help Me Settle an Argument with my Guild Over Weapon Req. - Guild Wars Forums

f3nixd0wn · Sep 02, 2006, 03:31 AM // 03:31

Yes, I am very well aware of how req works for the msot part, However, my guild has been arguing over How much it matters. Pretty much it can be summed up into one question.

Let's say I have 16 Swordsmanship and I have a sword with req. 13 and a sword with req. 8. Would the damage be any different?

Haggard · Sep 02, 2006, 03:36 AM // 03:36

No difference. As long as you have above the req, the damage is identical. If this wasn't the case then PvP would be unbalanced as people who could afford req 7 swords would be stronger than those who used PvP swords (req 9).

SaladFork · Sep 02, 2006, 03:37 AM // 03:37

If you meet the weapon requirement on a sword, the sword will deal full (100%) damage.

With 16 swordsmanship, your req 13 and req 8 sword will both deal full damage. If they're both equal in damage, they will still deal the same amount.

~Salad

f3nixd0wn · Sep 02, 2006, 03:43 AM // 03:43

Thank you. Another mystery solved.

extra bacon · Sep 02, 2006, 08:41 AM // 08:41

amazing things you can find in the FAQ stickied at the top of the Q&A subforum, even the answer to your question.

shadow39365 · Sep 02, 2006, 09:15 AM // 09:15

i can't believe people think req makes a difference to damage :S like Haggard said it would totally unbalance the whole system.

It wasn't really a mystery, just setting some rather clueless people straight.

Haggard · Sep 02, 2006, 04:57 PM // 16:57

In another small twist, if you have say a requirement 8 sword, and you have 8 in the attribute, you will deal much less than if you have a requirement 12 sword with 12 in the attribute. Don't think that reaching the requirement but no higher will max out the weapon's damage - as with most things the more you put in, the better the returns.

Sam Stormwind · Sep 02, 2006, 05:12 PM // 17:12

yeh, if u have met the req for the weapon dont add more unless ur using skills eg for a sword - galrath slash to get higher dmg on the actual skill. If u have met the req of the weapon and ur happy with the dmg of your skills then put it into stregth to increase your dmg.

A Leprechaun · Sep 02, 2006, 05:32 PM // 17:32

i had the same argument with a member of my old guild
he got really worked up about it and said he had done loads fo tests to say that he lower the req the more dmg ^_^

Nexium · Sep 02, 2006, 09:23 PM // 21:23

how the hell can ppl actualy belive that low req makes hmm more damage bah they gotta be insane..

some guy · Sep 02, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43

It dosen't matter, the damage is the same, if you don't have teh requirements the damage will be halfed

twighlightwordzhu · Sep 03, 2006, 04:14 AM // 04:14

the only thing it would affect would be the damage done by ur swordsmanship skills

elLOCOmutha · Sep 03, 2006, 10:59 AM // 10:59

No DMG difference, but the lower the req...the more flexibility you have in your attribute points. Say you have a req.13 sword you really have to pump the points into that sword attribute, but if you have a req.7-8 then you can put them someplace else and spread the wealth. Some profession skills depend on the higher attribute points though..for things like seconds for poisen,bleeding etc...

I have a sweet setup on my toon right now, since I like to play warrior but I also like to shoot a bow I only buy req.7-8 swords and bows and im able to have the best of both worlds. I just love wilderness survival on a warrior!

It all depends on what the skill description states, the only reason people think higher req. means higher damage is because they have 13 points pumped into that attribute lol it has nothing to do with req. of a weapon.

gamecube187 · Sep 03, 2006, 02:54 PM // 14:54

Requirement does make a difference, but only if you don't meet it. If you meet the requirement, and the requirement is 8, it doesn't matter if you have 8, 10, or 12, they will do the same damage (excluding skills).

Low requirement weps are just better if you either
1. don't want to put in enough points to accually meet the requirement, or
2. you want more flexibility

If you are just going to keep you weapons attribute at 12+ at all times for all your builds, then you might as well ignore the requirement.

Zakarr · Sep 03, 2006, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by some guy

It dosen't matter, the damage is the same, if you don't have teh requirements the damage will be halfed

That is not correct. Weapon is considered close to starter weapon when you don't meet its requirements. This was confirmed by Anet but I can't find the post anymore with the new search function.

Kakumei · Sep 03, 2006, 04:10 PM // 16:10

There is some misinformation in this thread. While meeting the req is indeed binary, the amount of points in your Swordsmanship attribute does affect your damage. If you have a req 8 sword, and you keep adding more and more points into your attribute--up to 16--you will keep doing more and more damage, even without skills. There is very little reason for a Warrior, especially in PvP, not to have his weapon at 16.

However, if you have 16 Swordsmanship, you will see no damage difference between a req 8 sword and a req 12.

elLOCOmutha · Sep 03, 2006, 09:27 PM // 21:27

So to sum it up...

Low Req. weapons = More flexibity for attribute point placement.

Using more attribute points in an attribute = Longer damage/Higher damage depending on skills used.

I like having the flexibility option.

Savio · Sep 03, 2006, 09:51 PM // 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zakarr

That is not correct. Weapon is considered close to starter weapon when you don't meet its requirements. This was confirmed by Anet but I can't find the post anymore with the new search function.

You're both correct, in a way.

Weapon damage is calculated in two steps:

1. Do you meet the requirements?

If so, the full stated range (i.e. 15-22 for swords) is used.
If not, half of the stated range (8-11) is used.

2. What is your current weapon attribute level?

Using Ensign's Game Mechanics article:

Effect of Attributes on Weapon Damage

Code:

Attribute	Percent of
Level		Weapon Damage
0		35.6%
1		38.6%
2		42.0%
3		45.9%
4		50.0%
5		54.5%
6		59.5%
7		64.8%
8		70.7%
9		77.1%
10		84.1%
11		91.7%
12		100%
13		104%
14		107%
15		111%
16		115%

Examples:

1. You have 0 in Swordsmanship and are wielding a req 9 max sword. You don't meet requirements (8-11 damage) and have 0 Swordsmanship (35.6%). Your actual damage range is 3-4 before modifiers, which is pretty close to starter weapon damage.

2. You have 12 in Swordsmanship and are wielding a req 13 max sword. You don't meet requirements (8-11 damage) and have 12 Swordsmanship (100%). You actual damage range is 8-11 damage before modifiers, which isn't quite starter but not something to be proud of.

3. You have 9 in Swordsmanship and are wielding a req 9 max sword. You meet the requirements (15-22 damage) and have 9 Swordsmanship (77.1%). Your actual damage range is 12-17 damage before modifiers.

4. You have 14 in Swordsmanship and are wielding a req 9 max sword. You meet the requirements (15-22 damage) and have 14 Swordsmanship (107%). Your actual damage range is 16-24 damage before modifiers.

elLOCOmutha · Sep 03, 2006, 09:57 PM // 21:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savio

You're both correct, in a way.

Weapon damage is calculated in two steps:

1. Do you meet the requirements?

If so, the full stated range (i.e. 15-22 for swords) is used.
If not, half of the stated range (8-11) is used.

2. What is your current weapon attribute level?

Using Ensign's Game Mechanics article:

Effect of Attributes on Weapon Damage

Code:

Attribute	Percent of
Level		Weapon Damage
0		35.6%
1		38.6%
2		42.0%
3		45.9%
4		50.0%
5		54.5%
6		59.5%
7		64.8%
8		70.7%
9		77.1%
10		84.1%
11		91.7%
12		100%
13		104%
14		107%
15		111%
16		115%

Examples:

1. You have 0 in Swordsmanship and are wielding a req 9 max sword. You don't meet requirements (8-11 damage) and have 0 Swordsmanship (35.6%). Your actual damage range is 3-4 before modifiers, which is pretty close to starter weapon damage.

2. You have 12 in Swordsmanship and are wielding a req 13 max sword. You don't meet requirements (8-11 damage) and have 12 Swordsmanship (100%). You actual damage range is 8-11 damage before modifiers, which isn't quite starter but not something to be proud of.

3. You have 9 in Swordsmanship and are wielding a req 9 max sword. You meet the requirements (15-22 damage) and have 9 Swordsmanship (77.1%). Your actual damage range is 12-17 damage before modifiers.

4. You have 14 in Swordsmanship and are wielding a req 9 max sword. You meet the requirements (15-22 damage) and have 14 Swordsmanship (107%). Your actual damage range is 16-24 damage before modifiers.

Does this take into account the +20 damage if customized and the damage in stance etc..? Or is that included in the req.?

Savio · Sep 03, 2006, 10:37 PM // 22:37

Quote:

Your actual damage range is 16-24 damage before modifiers.

No, it doesn't take them into account. The modifiers work so long as you meet their requirement (while in a stance, while enchanted, while health is less than 50%, etc.)

Sep 02, 2006, 03:31 AM // 03:31	#1
f3nixd0wn Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2006 Guild: Gryffindor Guild Profession: E/Mo	Help Me Settle an Argument with my Guild Over Weapon Req. Yes, I am very well aware of how req works for the msot part, However, my guild has been arguing over How much it matters. Pretty much it can be summed up into one question. Let's say I have 16 Swordsmanship and I have a sword with req. 13 and a sword with req. 8. Would the damage be any different?

Sep 03, 2006, 10:59 AM // 10:59	#13
elLOCOmutha Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ascalon City, Tyria Guild: Free Agent Profession: W/	No DMG difference, but the lower the req...the more flexibility you have in your attribute points. Say you have a req.13 sword you really have to pump the points into that sword attribute, but if you have a req.7-8 then you can put them someplace else and spread the wealth. Some profession skills depend on the higher attribute points though..for things like seconds for poisen,bleeding etc... I have a sweet setup on my toon right now, since I like to play warrior but I also like to shoot a bow I only buy req.7-8 swords and bows and im able to have the best of both worlds. I just love wilderness survival on a warrior! It all depends on what the skill description states, the only reason people think higher req. means higher damage is because they have 13 points pumped into that attribute lol it has nothing to do with req. of a weapon. Last edited by elLOCOmutha; Sep 03, 2006 at 11:04 AM // 11:04..

Sep 02, 2006, 03:36 AM // 03:36	#2
Haggard Desert Nomad Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Urmston, Manchester, UK Guild: Greener Pastures [DVDF] Profession: W/Rt	No difference. As long as you have above the req, the damage is identical. If this wasn't the case then PvP would be unbalanced as people who could afford req 7 swords would be stronger than those who used PvP swords (req 9).

Sep 02, 2006, 03:37 AM // 03:37	#3
SaladFork Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Eastern USA Guild: The Eternal Vanguard of Tyria [VNGD]	If you meet the weapon requirement on a sword, the sword will deal full (100%) damage. With 16 swordsmanship, your req 13 and req 8 sword will both deal full damage. If they're both equal in damage, they will still deal the same amount. ~Salad

Sep 02, 2006, 03:43 AM // 03:43	#4
f3nixd0wn Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2006 Guild: Gryffindor Guild Profession: E/Mo	Thank you. Another mystery solved.

Sep 02, 2006, 08:41 AM // 08:41	#5
extra bacon Grotto Attendant Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Guild: Spank [Me]	amazing things you can find in the FAQ stickied at the top of the Q&A subforum, even the answer to your question.

Sep 02, 2006, 09:15 AM // 09:15	#6
shadow39365 Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Guild: Angels Symphonys [AnSy]	i can't believe people think req makes a difference to damage :S like Haggard said it would totally unbalance the whole system. It wasn't really a mystery, just setting some rather clueless people straight.

Sep 02, 2006, 04:57 PM // 16:57	#7
Haggard Desert Nomad Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Urmston, Manchester, UK Guild: Greener Pastures [DVDF] Profession: W/Rt	In another small twist, if you have say a requirement 8 sword, and you have 8 in the attribute, you will deal much less than if you have a requirement 12 sword with 12 in the attribute. Don't think that reaching the requirement but no higher will max out the weapon's damage - as with most things the more you put in, the better the returns.

Sep 02, 2006, 05:12 PM // 17:12	#8
Sam Stormwind Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Dragon Knights Profession: W/	yeh, if u have met the req for the weapon dont add more unless ur using skills eg for a sword - galrath slash to get higher dmg on the actual skill. If u have met the req of the weapon and ur happy with the dmg of your skills then put it into stregth to increase your dmg.

Sep 02, 2006, 05:32 PM // 17:32	#9
A Leprechaun Desert Nomad Join Date: Feb 2006 Profession: W/	i had the same argument with a member of my old guild he got really worked up about it and said he had done loads fo tests to say that he lower the req the more dmg ^_^

Sep 02, 2006, 09:23 PM // 21:23	#10
Nexium Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006	how the hell can ppl actualy belive that low req makes hmm more damage bah they gotta be insane..

Sep 02, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43	#11
some guy Jungle Guide Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SPAWN CAMPING YOUR HOUSE Guild: We Speed Clear H O H [ HsC]	It dosen't matter, the damage is the same, if you don't have teh requirements the damage will be halfed

Sep 03, 2006, 04:14 AM // 04:14	#12
twighlightwordzhu Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: poopoo newyork Guild: Twighlight Dragons Profession: Mo/W	the only thing it would affect would be the damage done by ur swordsmanship skills

Sep 03, 2006, 02:54 PM // 14:54	#14
gamecube187 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2006	Requirement does make a difference, but only if you don't meet it. If you meet the requirement, and the requirement is 8, it doesn't matter if you have 8, 10, or 12, they will do the same damage (excluding skills). Low requirement weps are just better if you either 1. don't want to put in enough points to accually meet the requirement, or 2. you want more flexibility If you are just going to keep you weapons attribute at 12+ at all times for all your builds, then you might as well ignore the requirement.

Sep 03, 2006, 04:10 PM // 16:10	#16
Kakumei Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Grind is subjective Guild: learn this please	There is some misinformation in this thread. While meeting the req is indeed binary, the amount of points in your Swordsmanship attribute does affect your damage. If you have a req 8 sword, and you keep adding more and more points into your attribute--up to 16--you will keep doing more and more damage, even without skills. There is very little reason for a Warrior, especially in PvP, not to have his weapon at 16. However, if you have 16 Swordsmanship, you will see no damage difference between a req 8 sword and a req 12.

Sep 03, 2006, 09:27 PM // 21:27	#17
elLOCOmutha Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ascalon City, Tyria Guild: Free Agent Profession: W/	So to sum it up... Low Req. weapons = More flexibity for attribute point placement. Using more attribute points in an attribute = Longer damage/Higher damage depending on skills used. I like having the flexibility option.